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    21st Century Ideas: Do you hope?

    Is this going well or do I need to bring a gun?

    Started by: kkills Raves:3

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    Throughout the history of the world, people who wish to do good have attempted to do good by good means, i.e. educating the people of the world to the threat that they face and giving them the tools to make the right decisions. This has never worked. All that has ever happened is that the apathetic masses go back to sleep, whispering as they do "hurt me more, Mr Government Man, Mr Business Man. I'm too stupid to make a decision". And Mr Government Man and Mr Business Man make the decisions that they would have made anyway, knowing full well that the people aren't going to be bothered to argue. So, are we simply repeating the mistake people like us have always made? Should we really be giving people tools that they're not going to use, or should we be making them do what's best for them?

    My group is adopting the speak softly/big stick approach. Yes, we are armed.

    Yeah, I take issue with you guys. You "cynics" or "realists" seem to think that the violent and "harsh" "realities" you read about in your histories are the sum total of human experience. You disregard the billions of loving mothers, kind and humble men, and wonderful people who have lived on Earth. They didn't blow shit up or make headlines but they've been here, kindly and lovingly living on Earth more successfully than any of your violent heroes, so get used to it.

    Yep, they've been living on earth doing their thing for thousands of years, and successfully failing to change anything. Maybe we should learn from their mistake, or is it better for us all to die than for us to be "harsh"?

    Illustrating the paradox of rebels once again : fighting to make the world different, when they only make it more of the same - some "leaders" coercing masses into obeying. As kkills pointed, the nurturing mothers and the wives who stay home to keep the farm going while their husbands are off pacifying the world - whether said husbands win or not - do not change the world. They illustrate a reality that transcends that of change : a humanity that lasts on while those most violent among ourselves drain themselves out of the system. Yes, we're idealists. We move whole worlds with ideas, while others limit themselves to their small, self-created kingdoms, as has always been and will always be.

    Seems to me that there has been an awful lot of change that has been done peacefully, but usually a conflict of some kind forces the change. As they say, "necessity is the mother of invention"

    The other thing that feeds into this is the principle of conflicting changes. One of the big reasons that the peaceful or even the violent left, certainly in Europe, failed to make changes from Marxism onwards is that if you put ten revolutionaries in a room you had 20 causes they were fighting for, and 40 contradictory viewpoints about each. No-one could ever agree of what needed doing. The only times we've seen major changes arising from those kind of revolutionary groups, left or right wing, is when someone with guns took over: Stalin, Hitler, Mao, etc. The most interesting statistic of the post-GEAS world is that an average of 17.5% of SEHIs who have completed their profile have created a superstructure. Do we really need 267 differect superstructures pulling in different directions or do we need a handful of people telling everyone else what to do?

    My superstruct is aimed at precisely this. The Global Council on Leadership was created in order to identify those individuals with the greatest ability and integrity, and poise them to take power in the wake of the collapse of the currently tottering democratic governments. I would encourage you to look into it, kkills.

    Brute force is one of the first things that need to disappear. The dark ages occurred thanks to giving priority to war rather than knowledge. Pacific risings have taken place; Allende was a pacific and radical change of politics in Chile before the US decided to intervene and install Pinochet. Evo Morales is another example of pacific change, and many more. Proving your point with a big stick is never a good thing, no matter how much you think you are right. Then it becomes a matter of who has the bigger gun, and the arm race starts again. Nowadays we try to raise our kids without caining them or beating them up, and they seem to be coming along OK. Shouldn't we learn from that? Unfortunately some societies have been built upon war, and they are paranoid thinking everybody is the same. (we aren't).

    I always felt that instead of wars -countries should have fireworks competitions and let the UN decide the winner.




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